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Extravadanza
post Sep 30 2007, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(ZJStress @ Sep 30 2007, 05:39 PM) *

At this point, I'm completely satisfied and Brawl could ship, alone with everything we already know as the whole game, but there's one more thing that this game HAS to have. BIG BLUE. That was the best stage in all of Melee and simply HAS to return.


I completely agree. I loved Big Blue because of the unpredictability and the amount of air time you got. My best character is Luigi and I love his areal abilities so Big Blue was pure kickass for me.
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Slush
post Sep 30 2007, 07:47 PM
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Jigglypuff is a grand Smash Bros. tradition. A great remnant of the Pokemon mania of the late '90s where fucking Jigglypuff was seen as a more vital character to have in the game than Diddy, Wario, Zelda, Ganondorf, Falco, Bowser...

Jigglypuff must stay.

Okay, speaking of which, what classic stages should appear in the game? How many?

I'm hoping for at least six. Three from the original and three from Melee, all with their original graphics. My choices would be the following:

Classic Mushroom Kingdom (SSB - Mario)
Saffron City (SSB - Pokemon)
Planet Zebes (SSB - Metroid)

Kongo Jungle (SSBM - DK)
Hyrule Temple (SSBM - Zelda)
Flat Zone (SSBM - Game & Watch)
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dkrds
post Sep 30 2007, 08:06 PM
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Nah, I would want

Classic Mushroom Kingdom (SSB - Mario)
Hyrule Castel (SSB - Zelda)
Yoshi Story (SSB - Yoshi)
Saffron City (SSB - Pokemon)
Flat Zone (SSBM - Game & Watch
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koopaul
post Sep 30 2007, 08:08 PM
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Saffron City? I thought that was a poor representation of the Pokemon franchise.
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Sean
post Sep 30 2007, 08:17 PM
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But it was a fucking awesome stage. (Plus it's, you know, an actual location from the games.)
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Hank
post Sep 30 2007, 08:37 PM
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N64.
Saffron City
Mushroom Kingdom
Planet Zebes (I guess. I can't think of much more as I never found the original stages to be horribly impressive.)

GC.
Mute City or Big Blue. Either works
Jungle Japes
Hyrule Temple
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M-Dog1000000
post Sep 30 2007, 10:39 PM
Post #5357


Immortal Monkey









N64.
Saffron City
Mushroom Kingdom (The warp pipes and pow blocks in this stage were pretty fun)
Hyrule Castle (I played this stage more than any other in SSB, I love it.)

GC.
Hyrule Temple (My favorite stage ever, but I seriously doubt they'd bring it back).
Onett or Fourside, both are great stages.
Big Blue is a hell of a lot of fun.

The lack of large and diverse stages in brawl is really bothering me...
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Hank
post Oct 1 2007, 01:03 AM
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Oh balls.

... Surely Ness may still--naw he's gone.
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Sean
post Oct 1 2007, 01:06 AM
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Everyone saw it coming, but it doesn't mean everyone has to like it.

Why why WHYYYY would you put a character in from a game that has the will of gods keeping it from getting outside of Japan? Why would you do it? What reason is there to replace the one character that the rest of the world has actually seen?
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OCRE
post Oct 1 2007, 01:23 AM
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At the very least, we now know they aren't done with character updates.

I wish they wouldn't be so damn cryptic about whether Ness is in or not.
I personally think he'll return.
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Slush
post Oct 1 2007, 01:29 AM
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Well, this is complete bullshit.
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Karla
post Oct 1 2007, 01:31 AM
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Let's try to be positive. This doesn't mean Ness has been removed, it means Earthbound/Mother gets two...oh screw it. Ness is gone. And it sucks. He was never my favourite character but he was fun to play as sometimes. Yeah, it's pretty damn lame having a character representing a franchise when said character will never see the light of day outside of Japan in his own franchise's game.

Oh, hi Roy.
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Slush
post Oct 1 2007, 01:39 AM
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What's worse is that most fans will accept this.

http://fryguy64.proboards27.com/index.cgi?...read=1191222216

Check out the sycophants at that link above. They're totally jazzed that we're getting a character from a game they'll never get to play. JAPAN ONLY BECAUSE JAPAN IS BETTER THAN US! - _ - Maybe if we're lucky Brawl won't even be released outside of Japan. AWESOME.
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Karla
post Oct 1 2007, 01:45 AM
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"he's finally the first (and hopefully not last!) Japan only character"

AHH AHH AHH! *smacks head repeatedly*

I hate people. So very much.
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Muffler
post Oct 1 2007, 01:59 AM
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Well, coming from somebody who went through the effort of importing Mother 3 and reading a translation guide throughout the entire game, it's possible that Lucas won't be a clone of Ness. Also think back to Ike and Marth; while Ike is pretty damn similar in looks and moves to Marth in the FE series, Ike's move set update pretty much confirmed he's not a clone of Marth, which umped the latter's chances a whole lot. (Roy's pretty much screwed however, but he's pretty damn insignificant anyway.) Marth also has his huge Japanese fan base up his sleeves, which can apply to Ness with his larger popularity in the West among the Mother community.

It'd help if the mention of Ness in the update wasn't so fucking cryptic. It could either read as Ness and Lucas having a rivalry within the game as they're both physic, or that Lucas is replacing, hence 'surpassing' Ness' abilities. Christ.

I'll begin complaining when Lucas gets his half his specials revealed; for now I'll just stay panicky. And if Ness was revealed before Lucas was, it still would've been pretty much confirmed that Lucas would still be in the game. [/OPTIMISM]
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Captain Drake
post Oct 1 2007, 02:02 AM
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Ness was already going to be removed in SSBM. Honestly.
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Muffler
post Oct 1 2007, 02:04 AM
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Doesn't make the idea any less tactless.
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Slush
post Oct 1 2007, 02:05 AM
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And honestly? It's a good thing that he wasn't.

Seriously, it also sets a dangerous precedent. Are we going to start replacing characters in Smash Bros. with newer equivalents? God, what happens when Nintendo Tokyo introduces a fresher version of Diddy Kong in their next DK game?

Ness needs to return, and I don't see why we can't complain if he is indeed flushed down the tubes. Plus, I've actually PLAYED Earthbound. I don't download ROMs, so how the fuck am I ever going to play Mother 3?

Are we going to get a West-only character to confuse the Japanese fans? Is there such a thing as a West-only character in Nintendo lore? Bah.
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FunkyDude
post Oct 1 2007, 02:06 AM
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What I pray for now is that the old rumor which Diddy debunked, specifically the "one Melee franchise will be removed" part, still doesn't hold any weight.
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Brawler Diddy
post Oct 1 2007, 02:08 AM
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Yes, but I still'd like him to stay. Earthbound was awesome, and I doubt that Lucas will be a full clone of Ness. This raises Marth's changes aswell.

And please shut up about Jigglypuff, she's a very fun character to use and good aswell. Especially her aerial attacks are dangerous... what a hitboxes. And Rest kills yo' mamma.
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Slush
post Oct 1 2007, 02:09 AM
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I don't see how. Game & Watch is all but confirmed through the icon numbering, and we've already seen the icons for every other Melee franchise.

If Ness IS in this game (and come on, he's not, but stay with me here), why couldn't they show him before Lucas? Now we're going to be all panicky up until the release of the game.
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FunkyDude
post Oct 1 2007, 03:13 AM
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Same reason they showed Goroh AT before even hinting at Falcon?
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M-Dog1000000
post Oct 1 2007, 04:41 AM
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This is awesome! Yeah, Just for the fact that it should bring Mother 3 in regions outside Japan. This is a great great update for Mother3 supporters.

And because of this don't you think Ness should be unlockable? By the looks of it Lucas isn't an exact clone anyhow.
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Mark
post Oct 1 2007, 04:43 AM
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I got the impression that Sakurai's last sentence was referring to surpassing Ness in terms of power.

I still think Ness is in mostly because I find it stupid that Sakurai would take out a character (a pretty popular one at that) in favor of someone most of us haven't had the pleasure to play the game he's starred in.
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Muffler
post Oct 1 2007, 04:44 AM
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Thinking about it, I'm leaning towards 'Ness is playable', even if it's only in costume form. I mean, what the hell would be the point of mentioning him if Lucas is a replacement? Wouldn't you try and and step around the subject as much as possible? Flat out comparing Lucas to Ness doesn't seem like a definate confirmation that Ness is getting axed.
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Kaptain K. Siro
post Oct 1 2007, 05:10 AM
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This is AWESOME if Ness is still in. I'm tired so I can't really tell, but do the moves Lucas is doing appear to be Ness'? If they are new moves, I can't see Ness being gone. I'm really happy with this as I was hoping for Mother 3 representation...I just hope he's a new character and Ness is in regularly.
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M-Dog1000000
post Oct 1 2007, 05:18 AM
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Hes using what looks to be Ness's down B move, except instead of surrounding him hes using it infront of himself.

They'll probably be similar for sure, but hopefully not clones... Like the folks have been saying about Ike and Marth.
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Kaptain K. Siro
post Oct 1 2007, 05:21 AM
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If it is a new move, I sincerely doubt Ness is gone. The only reason he would be would be if Lucas was in with his moves.

Edit: While the artwork (Like Ike) looks odd, he looks excellent in screens. I'm so happy...I just really hope he's a new character and Ness is still in. This is like the trophy argument all over again. (Mention of something in an update that's potentially a replacement for it.)
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Legoman727
post Oct 1 2007, 05:35 AM
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Poor Ness... We knew you well. And there's still no chance in hell of us getting Mother 3, anyways.
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M-Dog1000000
post Oct 1 2007, 05:41 AM
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You underestimate the power of the Smash series.
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Bendilin
post Oct 1 2007, 05:56 AM
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I fucking knew it, I fucking knew it, I fucking knew it. No idea why but while getting ready in the bathroom this morning I started thinking about Lucas and how fucking stupid he would be if they had him instead of Ness in today's update (I swear I'm literally psychic). Fucking finish up, hurry to go see the update, it's Lucas.

Fuck Nintendo, fuck Sakurai, fuck Brawl, fuck everything relating to them. It's fucking EarthBound 64 being canceled all over again. I fucking hate these idiots and literally want to see them die.

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Great update!

they mention Ness!


These people arn't fucking fans AT ALL.
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emayer
post Oct 1 2007, 06:04 AM
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This is complete bull. Even if Sakurai thinks that Lucas is more important to the Mother series, Ness is still more important to the Smash Bros. series. They shouldn't be replacing characters that have been in every game in the franchise. I don't know, but if Sakurai was trying to be sneaky with the change, he blew it by mentioning Ness. Perhaps, just perhaps, that's a good sign.
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Hank
post Oct 1 2007, 06:26 AM
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Video Game Hero









QUOTE(Captain Drake @ Oct 1 2007, 01:02 AM) *

Ness was already going to be removed in SSBM. Honestly.


That justifies it how?
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Pikawil
post Oct 1 2007, 06:34 AM
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QUOTE(Hank @ Oct 1 2007, 08:26 AM) *

QUOTE(Captain Drake @ Oct 1 2007, 01:02 AM) *

Ness was already going to be removed in SSBM. Honestly.

That justifies it how?

That'd be justified if Earthbound 64 wasn't thrown to the dump.


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Same reason they showed Goroh AT before even hinting at Falcon?

Same reason they mentionned trophies before showing them proper? And keeping in mind the fact that the site is geared towards both newbs and veterans alike *coughyoumustrecovercough*, mentionning Ness to the former group would confuse the bejeesus outta them.
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post Oct 1 2007, 06:46 AM
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Frankly I was expecting the rumored AC character, if any new characters this morning but LUCAS! SWEET MERCIFUL CRAP!

I knew everyone here was going to be bitching about Lucas this morning shortly after I saw the update. It's not the end of the freaking world. Sure I'll bitch about a lack of Ness but I'll probably get over it after the game releases.

While it's only Lucas alone instead of that Lucas and Boney combo I was hoping for, (it if WAS the Lucas&Boney combo, then you'd have less complaining now wouldn't you?) that doesn't matter. It's still some MOTHER 3 support.

And Sakurai mentioned Ness in the description, so there's still hope. After all, that rumor about the Ice Climbers getting axed certaintly came true, didn't it?
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Hank
post Oct 1 2007, 06:50 AM
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Well it's also a sign that we're only probably getting Lucas if Ness isn't back.
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post Oct 1 2007, 07:09 AM
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Well it's also a sign that we're only probably getting Lucas if Ness isn't back.


Not really. If Sakurai's throwing Mother 3 characters in, then it opens up a possibility that the Masked Boy will appear to give the franchise some villain representation. Especially since that's the best you'll get villain-wise out of the MOTHER series. Giygas is next to impossible to make into a playable character (though a stage would work) and Pokey's best bet is Subspace Emissary boss or bust.
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post Oct 1 2007, 07:37 AM
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QUOTE(Bendilin @ Oct 1 2007, 07:56 AM) *

I fucking knew it, I fucking knew it, I fucking knew it. No idea why but while getting ready in the bathroom this morning I started thinking about Lucas and how fucking stupid he would be if they had him instead of Ness in today's update (I swear I'm literally psychic). Fucking finish up, hurry to go see the update, it's Lucas.

Fuck Nintendo, fuck Sakurai, fuck Brawl, fuck everything relating to them. It's fucking EarthBound 64 being canceled all over again. I fucking hate these idiots and literally want to see them die.


For the love of God, SHUT UP.

I remember when Assist Trophies were revealed, and Sean went on a long rant about how the game was absolutely ruined for him, also yelling FUCK SAKURAI and swearing off Brawl. Oh, but then Diddy's in it! All is forgiven! I will ignore every awesome thing about the game if they don't use one character I want!

And here's the opposite. You might as well be saying that you always hated Melee because of Marth and Roy. And no, don't go bitching about how you played Mother 3 but not Fire Emblem. Go play the fucking ROM instead of wishing death on Japan.
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Bendilin
post Oct 1 2007, 07:38 AM
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News flash; People weren't excited over the original Smash Brothers because they heard it had fantastic gameplay. People bought and enjoyed the game because you got to play as your favourite Nintendo characters. Not being able to play as your favourite characters is a serious damper on the whole purpose of the game (other than to make money).

They fucking killed off one of my favourite characters of all time from one of my favourite games of all time, when he's been in the past two games, for a fucking boring hallow shell of a clone. On top of that, other characters such as the Ice Climbers get to fucking stay.

Fuck Nintendo, fuck Sakurai, fuck Brawl, fuck everything relating to them. I fucking hate these idiots and literally want to see them die.
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Mystery Man
post Oct 1 2007, 07:51 AM
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While I'm a bit disappointed that it's not Flint, I can live with Lucas. Honestly, the whole Ness is being replaced by Lucas argument makes about as much sense as saying that DK would be replaced by Diddy, or Diddy by a Gibbon. Giving us a Japan only character got the ball rolling for Fire Emblem, getting Diddy in will make him instantly recognizable and increase demand for future DK games with him, and showing us Lucas will increase support for a Mother 3 translation.
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Popehat
post Oct 1 2007, 07:55 AM
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Ness is undoubtedly gone and never coming back and that fucking blows. However I think Lucas' inclusion and the popularity that follows it very well could lead to Mother 3's release outside of Japan in one form or another. I don't think our chances here are 100% at all, but you've got to admit that Lucas being in SSBB will certainly help.

QUOTE
Totally agree! It was logical for Mother to go forward. I just don't see why this franchise has to dwell in the past by keeping Ness around. His game is 12 years old.

Its sensible for dead franchises (Kid Icarus, Ice Climber, etc.) to have old characters but its kinda silly to have franchises that are still having new games to this day to have retro characters as playable characters (Geno, Sheik, etc.)

Its no wonder Knuckle Joe ended up as an AT. He's a retro Kirby character from at least one game (Kirby Super Star) that came out over 10 years ago.

And that's my two cents.

Oh, and fuck this guy right in the ass.



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NoName999
post Oct 1 2007, 07:56 AM
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It's funny when people try to jump the gun and make assumptions about something they don't 100% know.

It shows how stupid people can be.
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moe-ron
post Oct 1 2007, 08:11 AM
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all right people...

QUOTE
Is it possible he can surpass even Ness?!


maybe its just me, but that phrase seems to imply that he will be fighting Ness, so i still think he might end up in, plus this could mean that theory someone mentioned of the old school secret characters (falcon, ness, jigglypuff and luigi) might be secret again if Lucas is playable right off.

come on people, chill out.
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Brawler Diddy
post Oct 1 2007, 08:19 AM
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Yes, not having Ness sucks balls. They went the right way with Ike possibly replacing Marth and Roy, but I don't think this was a bad choice aswell as it COULD help getting us a translated Mother 3.

And as the guy quoted by Popehat said; why would they have retro characters of still living franchises? I'd much rather have a whole new retro character from a real retro franchise instead like Little Mac.

I feel sad for characters as Marth and Ness, but that means we'll probably won't see Sheik either, and that pleases me.
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NoName999
post Oct 1 2007, 08:22 AM
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Just because certain newer characters look similar to previous characters, doesn't mean previous characters are getting replace.

Honestly, why the hell would they drop Marth for Ike for the sole that they both have blue hair?
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Brawler Diddy
post Oct 1 2007, 08:28 AM
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Not only cause they have blue hair... They both weild swords aswell. The Fire Emblem franchise has MUCH more to offer than only sword fighters. They could go with axe fighters, lances, bows, pegasus / wyvern riders, mages, monks, paladins ect. Not saying that we're actually getting something as obscure as a random Wyvern Rider, but a Mage Lord character as Micaiah, a Axe Lord like Hector or the infamous Black Knight would be much better choices I think than another sword fighter - even though Ike had the potentail to have a much more unique moveset sadly.
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Mark
post Oct 1 2007, 08:43 AM
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This feels like Diddy Kong all over again. I'll happily admit to being wrong if Ness isn't in the game when we find out (since I *GASP!* actually still think he's in from Sakurai's last line), but I'm enjoying the ride and the subsequent anger going along with it. Warms the cockles.
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post Oct 1 2007, 08:54 AM
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The best we can hope for now is Ness being an alternate costume/colour for Lucas like Daisy was for Peach in Melee since I doubt we're getting any clones this time.
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post Oct 1 2007, 08:56 AM
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QUOTE(Slush @ Oct 1 2007, 01:29 AM) *

Well, this is complete bullshit.


QUOTE(Bendilin @ Oct 1 2007, 07:38 AM) *

Fuck Nintendo, fuck Sakurai, fuck Brawl, fuck everything relating to them. I fucking hate these idiots and literally want to see them die.


QUOTE(Legoman727 @ Oct 1 2007, 05:35 AM) *

Poor Ness... We knew you well. And there's still no chance in hell of us getting Mother 3, anyways.


QUOTE(Hank @ Oct 1 2007, 01:03 AM) *

Oh balls.

... Surely Ness may still--naw he's gone.


QUOTE(Popehat @ Oct 1 2007, 07:55 AM) *

Ness is undoubtedly gone and never coming back and that fucking blows.


QUOTE(Karla @ Oct 1 2007, 01:31 AM) *

Let's try to be positive.


Wrong fucking crowd, Gurney.

Seriously you guys, did I sleep too long and wake up on December 4th? There's still time for a lot of stuff to be revealed. I can't wait to see the "DIE DIE DIE" mob turn into a "YAY YAY YAY" mob when Ness is revealed. Good to see Ben on his usual "YOU'RE NOT A FAN!" elitist high horse.

To those being rational, I applaud you. You're right, this is exposer for Mother3 in the US, and it could very well be a step in bringing it out over here.

Haven't you people learned anything for the wisdom of Diddy Kong? Frankie says RELAX!
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M-Dog1000000
post Oct 1 2007, 08:56 AM
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You're all jumping to conclusions... We don't even know if hes a clone of Ness yet.
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